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				<description><![CDATA[ I have downloded the subclipse for eclipse3.3 and then followed the steps as described on the web page. <br /> <br /> but when i try to check out I am getting the following error <br /> <br /> <br /> "svn: PROPFIND of '/svn': Could not resolve hostname `sqlpower-library.googlecode.com': The requested name is valid and was found in the database, but it does not have the correct associated data being resolved for.   (<a class="snap_shots" href="http://sqlpower-library.googlecode.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://sqlpower-library.googlecode.com</a>)<br /> <br />     RA layer request failed<br /> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn'<br /> svn: PROPFIND of '/svn': Could not resolve hostname `sqlpower-library.googlecode.com': The requested name is valid and was found in the database, but it does not have the correct associated data being resolved for.   (<a class="snap_shots" href="http://sqlpower-library.googlecode.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://sqlpower-library.googlecode.com</a>)<br /> <br /> ".<br /> <br /> Kindly help me please.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 21 Jan 2008 03:48:52]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hello,<br /> <br /> I'm able to access the Subversion repository without a problem.<br /> <br /> Could you send the exact settings you have set for Subclipse when adding that repository?<br /> <br /> Also check if you can see the repository by viewing the URL [url]http://sqlpower-library.googlecode.com/svn/[/url] in your web browser.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:12:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Actually i had strated with high spirit to contribute to development. Now really I have given up. I dont know I have tried to checkout so many times and almost frustrated. I am running MCcafee antivirus on my laptop so first i thought the firewall is giving the problem. So i have turned it off. Some time it connects. Some time it says no remote folder find. Some time it says RA layer request failed. Really horrible. If my settings are wrong at least it should not connect even a single time. but some time it connects. some times not. I could not understand the reason. Any way finally I had given up with google. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:46:25]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hi there,<br /> <br /> Please give us a chance to help you before giving up!<br /> <br /> First, please try to access the URL I gave you through your web browser.<br /> <br /> Here it is again (You can simply click on the link): <br /> <br /> <a class="snap_shots" href="http://sqlpower-library.googlecode.com/svn/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://sqlpower-library.googlecode.com/svn/</a><br /> <br /> Please let us know what you see.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:03:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ On click of the url given i am able to see trunk/  and branches/    .   Even I am able to checkout up to 13% some time up to 16% after that I get an error in eclipse saying that<br /> <br /> "RA layer request failed<br /> svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/!svn/vcc/default'<br /> svn: REPORT of '/svn/!svn/vcc/default': 200 OK (<a class="snap_shots" href="http://power-architect.googlecode.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://power-architect.googlecode.com</a>)"<br /> <br /> Yesterday i did the same thing but atleast i am not able to connect. Today I have done the same thing and was able to checkout up to 13%.<br /> <br /> What do you recommend on this? how to do it?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:43:43]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ That's strange.<br /> <br /> One thing I suggest is to perhaps try a command-line Subversion client?<br /> <br /> Clients for different operating systems are available here.<br /> <br /> http://subversion.tigris.org/project_packages.html<br /> <br /> You can then try to check out the project with the following command:<br /> <br /> [code]svn checkout http://sqlpower-library.googlecode.com/svn/trunk &lt;project directory of your choice&gt;[/code]<br /> If that works, then do the same for Power*Architect replacing 'sqlpower-library' with 'power-architect'. Let us know how it goes]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:49:36]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [b]Update:[/b] I've included the change described somewhere below.<br /> <br /> I've experienced these/similar problems myself. The servers at googlecode doesn't seem to be very stable - at least from my location (Poland). However, I've developed the way of dealing with these problems. First of all, you need to take a look at the svnsync tool. Look there: [url]http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/notes/svnsync.txt[/url]. Especially take a look at the "Locks" section.<br /> <br /> Svnsync is a tool to create a local mirror of the svn server, and then to re-sync it at regular (or not-so-regular) intervals. I am using it as a helper tool to convert the repository from Subversion to Mercurial.<br /> <br /> In particular, I have succeeded in converting both power-architect and power-matchmaker repositories to Mercurial using these scripts - and that means I've also succeeded in setting up local mirrors.<br /> <br /> I am really sorry, but, being extremely busy right now, I cannot devote much time to your problem, I am however attaching the very simple set of scripts, that I'm used to using <img src="http://www.sqlpower.ca/forum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" /> to convert any svn repo to Mercurial under win32 (yup - and that's horrible, I know). Some of these scripts will be useful to you, hopefully - after careful inspection, of course.<br /> <br /> If you have any questions regarding these scripts (with short answers, please) <img src="http://www.sqlpower.ca/forum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" />, feel free to ask.<br /> <br /> Hope this all helps.<br /> <br /> Michał Skrzypek]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:07:45]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ One more thing - about something different (but still related to asking me questions) - there is a problem with these forums - whenever something is posted, I get 3 or 4 (four!) mails with the same contents, informing me that there is a new thread/post and containing the post itself. Could something be done about it?<br /> <br /> Sorry for the off-topic, I just hope it is something simple to solve, and if it is not, then I'll create separate thread on that.<br /> <br /> Best of all,<br /> Michał Skrzypek<br /> <br /> PS. just in case there are more serious problems with these forums, my email is michals(to be replaced with 'at')math.uni.lodz.pl]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:18:08]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Wow, you've got a local mirror of both apps... sounds promising for us! <img src="http://www.sqlpower.ca/forum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" /><br /> <br /> About the multiple notification problem in the forum, I don't know what to say.  None of us have experienced this problem, so I can't offer you any reliable advice.  One thing to check: Do each of the messages have a distinct Message-Id header? Do they all have identical time stamps? I'm wondering if there is some strange SMTP thing going on, or if this is all JForum's fault.<br /> <br /> -Jonathan]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:12:08]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I will try with command line clients and if i fail i will try with scripts. Any way why don't you consider sourceforge.net   for hosting the source code. It is very stable. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:12:11]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks for the suggestion. We certainly did consider using SourceForge when we went open source. It's the first thing that comes to mind when you think about project hosting!<br /> <br /> We also considered java.net and JavaForge before settling in on Google Code Hosting.<br /> <br /> Although switching to SourceForge is certainly an option, I'm inclined to at least ask the Google Code Hosting team for help with this problem. They've been responsive in the past. Good, personal support is important to us (that's what we try to provide here), so if the people at Google Code Hosting continue to provide us with that, we'll continue to enjoy using their services.<br /> <br /> -Jonathan]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hi no luck with command line tools too. One thing I want to say is, before the svn client used to connect sometime and sometimes not. Now it is getting connected and was able to check out up to 65%, after that it is the same error. I think(I am not sure) there is a time limit for the client(timeout for the connection). After some time the server is forcefully closing the connection even though it is in process. Any way I also thought aboout hosting a small project on gogle but after this experience I have dropped. Any way I will try with scripts and see. This will be my last attempt. If no success at least I will be a constant watcher.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:10:25]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [b]Update:[/b] This post has been corrected a few times.<br /> <br /> [quote=yaragalla_murali]Hi no luck with command line tools too. One thing I want to say is, before the svn client used to connect sometime and sometimes not. Now it is getting connected and was able to check out up to 65%, after that it is the same error. (...)[/quote]<br /> You probably got this all wrong - svnsync will NOT prevent the disconnection, but then it will allow you to continue from the point where it occurred. Take a look again in the "Locks" section. If you want to "arm" the scripts with this ability, then below is the improved "svncync-2sync.bat" script:<br /> <br /> [code]  :set environment variables<br /> call _setenv.bat<br /> <br />   :allow recovery in case of the failure<br /> svn pdel --revprop -r 0 svn:sync-lock svn://%SVN_LOCAL_HOST%:%SVN_LOCAL_PORT%/%PROJECT_NAME%-svnsync<br /> <br />   :synchronize local copy<br /> svnsync sync svn://%SVN_LOCAL_HOST%:%SVN_LOCAL_PORT%/%PROJECT_NAME%-svnsync<br /> [/code]The only thing changed is the inclusion of the "svn pdel" command. After this change, you can re-run this batch file even after forcefully killing the previous instance.<br /> <br /> Just in case, here is the SHORT MANUAL: :)<br /> <br /> 1. Configure everything in the "_setenv.bat" file.<br /> 2. Don't forget to rename the directory with initial empty repository to match the project's name with "-svnsync" ending.<br /> 3. Run "svnsync-0serve.bat"<br /> 4. Run "svnsync-1init.bat". It needs to be done just once. It hard-codes the SVN_REMOTE_URL into the local repository, and it cannot be changed later - you'll need to replace the repository with the initial one (provided inside the zipfile) if you want to reconfigure it.<br /> 5. Run "svnsync-2sync.bat". You can wait after it finishes, or you can even kill it in the middle, and restart it - it will simply continue the syncing process. If some error occurs or it simply hangs waiting for the connection - just re-run it.<br /> 6. When everything finishes, you can kill the server process, or just re-use it for local connection with the client (Eclipse for example). Just remember, that this mirror should be considered read-only, otherwise the re-syncing process will then fail.<br /> 7. After some time passes, just execute the steps 3 and 5 to refresh the repository.<br /> <br /> The remaining scripts are dealing with various conversions to Mercurial, so these are probably out of scope (not needed here).<br /> <br /> I'm also updating the "syncer-v2.zip" file to "syncer-v2b.zip" to reflect the change described here.<br /> <br /> Good luck!<br /> Michał Skrzypek]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I have tried as you said. I got the following error. Also attaching the modified scripts.<br /> <br /> <br /> C:\DOCUME~1\Owner\Desktop\syn&gt;svnsync-2sync<br /> <br /> C:\DOCUME~1\Owner\Desktop\syn&gt;call _setenv.bat<br /> <br /> C:\DOCUME~1\Owner\Desktop\syn&gt;set PROJECT_NAME=power-architect<br /> <br /> C:\DOCUME~1\Owner\Desktop\syn&gt;set SVN_LOCAL_HOST=localhost<br /> <br /> C:\DOCUME~1\Owner\Desktop\syn&gt;set SVN_LOCAL_PORT=23232<br /> <br /> C:\DOCUME~1\Owner\Desktop\syn&gt;set SVN_REMOTE_URL=http://power-architect.googleco<br /> de.com/svn/trunk/<br /> <br /> C:\DOCUME~1\Owner\Desktop\syn&gt;svn pdel --revprop -r 0 svn:sync-lock <a class="snap_shots"  target="_blank" rel="nofollow">svn://localh</a><br /> ost:23232/power-architect-svnsync<br /> property 'svn:sync-lock' deleted from repository revision 0<br /> <br /> C:\DOCUME~1\Owner\Desktop\syn&gt;svnsync sync <a class="snap_shots"  target="_blank" rel="nofollow">svn://localhost:23232/power-architect</a><br /> -svnsync<br /> svnsync: Destination repository has not been initialized]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hi I got it. I am able to run the scripts properly. Right now running the scripts and something is going on. will let you know by tomorrow morning about the complete result.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I posted on the Google Code mailing list. Based on the error messages you sent, here's response that I got.<br /> <br /> [quote]More than likely this developer is behind some sort of web-proxy that<br /> doesn't understand WebDAV http requests (like REPORT or PROPFIND). [/quote]]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=yaragalla_murali]I have tried as you said. I got the following error. Also attaching the modified scripts.<br /> [...][/quote]<br /> You can sync only the root of the repository, and not just the "trunk" subdir of it. Therefore, the "init" script failed, and then the "sync" script complained that the repository has not been initialized (as can be observed in the output you've provided).<br /> <br /> So, you need to remove the "trunk" subdir. Change the corresponding line to:<br /> [code]set SVN_REMOTE_URL=http://power-architect.googlecode.com/svn[/code]<br /> After that, go to the step 3 from the "manual". It worked for me just a few minutes ago.<br /> <br /> Hope this will finally work for you - you're really close to the full success :)<br /> Michał Skrzypek<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=yaragalla_murali]Hi I got it. I am able to run the scripts properly. Right now running the scripts and something is going on. will let you know by tomorrow morning about the complete result.[/quote]<br /> I'm really glad that you are this far. Anyway, please remember, that the connection will probably fail in the middle - then, just restart the "sync" script, it should resume from the right place.<br /> <br /> Remember also, that introducing the "svn pdel" command moved the responsibility of NOT running multiple instances of the svnsync script from the script to the user - if you forget about that and fire up multiple instances simultaneously, the mirror repository will probably become corrupted.<br /> <br /> Bye for now,<br /> Michał Skrzypek<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Jeff]I posted on the Google Code mailing list. Based on the error messages you sent, here's response that I got.<br /> <br /> [quote]More than likely this developer is behind some sort of web-proxy that<br /> doesn't understand WebDAV http requests (like REPORT or PROPFIND). [/quote][/quote]<br /> The thing is, that the connection usually works, but breaks randomly (sic!), so I'd rather suggest, that it is the Google side we should blame <img src="http://www.sqlpower.ca/forum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" /><br /> <br /> Regards,<br /> Michał Skrzypek<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hi jeff, one small doubt. I am running the script2 and if it stops intermittently can I shutdown the PC and restart at later point of time. If I start at later point of time and if i run the script2 will it start from the place where it has stopped.<br /> <br /> You said it does but just asking. <img src="http://www.sqlpower.ca/forum//images/smilies/0a4d7238daa496a758252d0a2b1a1384.gif" />]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Although I am definitely not Jeff <img src="http://www.sqlpower.ca/forum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" />, I can confirm that - this is the whole purpose of these scripts. The scripts are just simple sets of commands, and nothing in-between is stored in the memory, everything is on the disk (which is a non-volatile memory), so restarting the system is safe. You only need to later begin with starting the "server" script again, because the "sync" script relies on the loopback connection (with "localhost").<br /> <br /> It is worth noting, that the "server" script runs a full-featured Subversion server, which means that you can connect with it as with any other Subversion server. The only (crucial) difference is that everything is stored locally. You should refer your svn client (be it Eclipse, Tortoise-SVN, or even the plain command 'svn co') to this server instead of googlecode's one (ie the address would be <a class="snap_shots"  target="_blank" rel="nofollow">svn://localhost:23232/power-architect-svnsync/trunk</a>), if you just want to checkout the latest version, or without "trunk" at the end to checkout the whole repository (much larger, but in fact everything is done locally, so it won't last very long).<br /> <br /> Michał Skrzypek]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hi m--s, sorry for calling you jeff. ok I am clear in mind. will work with them and if any problem, will come back again.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I got another response in the Google Code thread:<br /> <br /> [quote]&gt; I should point out that these users are able to start the checkout of<br /> &gt; source code, but will lose the connection partway through the checkout<br /> &gt; with errors like the one I posted earlier.<br /> <br /> Oh!  That's a very different story.  If an http proxy were blocking<br /> DAV requests, then the checkout would fail instantly.<br /> <br /> &gt; For now, they have resorted to using svnsync so that when they lose<br /> &gt; the connection, they can continue with svnsync where they left off,<br /> &gt; instead of having to restart the checkout everytime.<br /> <br /> Uh, svnsync is a much much larger operation.  Instead of just<br /> downloading the latest changes, you're replicating the entire<br /> repository's history.  While svnsync is easily restartable, so is 'svn<br /> checkout' and 'svn update'.  Have they tried just running 'svn update'<br /> when they get a disconnection to finish the update?<br /> <br /> &gt; Also, I don't know if this is related, but our development team is in<br /> &gt; Toronto, Canada, while one of these users is in Poland, and the other<br /> &gt; in India. Are there any known issues with code hosting in those areas?<br /> <br /> No, there aren't any known issues, and I can't reproduce the problem<br /> myself.  It took me 11 minutes to checkout the whole trunk, but I<br /> didn't see any disconnects.<br /> <br /> Can you have them try the checkouts with a standard svn commandline<br /> client?  I'm wondering if the Subclipse plugin they're using is the<br /> unofficial java-implementation of the svn client (SVNKit), rather than<br /> the javahl version that talks to the official svn C libraries.  I'd<br /> like to rule out SVNKit first. [/quote]<br /> <br /> For those who would like to keep track of the thread, it is available here:<br /> <br /> <a class="snap_shots" href="http://groups.google.com/group/google-code-hosting/browse_thread/thread/5cdbbe7c03dcbeac" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/group/google-code-hosting/browse_thread/thread/5cdbbe7c03dcbeac</a>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote][...] Uh, svnsync is a much much larger operation.  Instead of just<br /> downloading the latest changes, you're replicating the entire<br /> repository's history.  While svnsync is easily restartable, so is 'svn<br /> checkout' and 'svn update'. [...][/quote]<br /> I'd like to give a really simple answer to that: although it is a much larger operation, it gives me the comfort (sic!) of having everything locally, so I am not depending on anyone else (including the provider and Google). Also, further updates are really fast - and I have the whole history of the project, which makes for an excellent add-on to the documentation.<br /> <br /> Anyway, as I view this as a very general issue with Subversion (I mean, WHY is it so complicated to just mirror the repository, especially in the world where backups are essential? - this would make a really good question to the Subversion developers), I would suggest you, the developers at PowerSQL, to move to distributed VCS Mercurial, where these problems will never even appear. Especially while you're trying to attract the community.<br /> <br /> Among the DVCSs - why I'm recommending Mercurial? It is cross-platform (unlike Git, which only pretends to be working reliably under Windows), and it is also fast (unlike everything else other that Git, for example: Bazaar is slow as hell in the comparison, see one of the links below).<br /> <br /> I can try to help you with moving to Mercurial if you wish (within a reasonable timeframe, as I'm quite busy right now).<br /> <br /> Of course, Mercurial also has its disadvantages, but before answering, please read these:<br /> [url]http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/scm/history/[/url]<br /> [url]http://web.archive.org/web/20061207132429/http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/preed/2006/11/version_control_system_shootou.html[/url]<br /> [url]http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/preed/2007/04/version_control_system_shootou_1.html[/url]<br /> <br /> Unfortunately, the screenshots of Mortal Kombat have been removed since form the 3rd link <img src="http://www.sqlpower.ca/forum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" /><br /> <br /> Hope this all helps you understand my point of view,<br /> Michał Skrzypek]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I almost found the MK3 screenshots from that 2nd link a bit too distracting while reading the article <img src="http://www.sqlpower.ca/forum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" /><br /> <br /> I've noticed that in the OpenSolaris link, they're supporting both Subversion and a distributed solution, perhaps something we could do?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Interesting reading.. especially the Mozilla blog. <img src="http://www.sqlpower.ca/forum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" /><br /> <br /> Although our project certainly isn't married to Google Code hosting or SVN, it would take a lot to convince me to move the project away.  What reason do we have to stay with Google?<br /> <br /> -Responsive support from the right people--the current thread about the connectivity problems is being handled by Ben Collins-Sussman<br /> -We're already set up there.. there is infrastructure in place that would have to be re-built<br /> <br /> Why SVN?<br /> <br /> -Excellent docs available at <a class="snap_shots" href="http://svnbook.red-bean.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://svnbook.red-bean.com/</a><br /> -Responsive support from the right people, who happen to be the same people behind Google Code Hosting<br /> -Many potential new devs already know how to use it (or CVS, which is similar enough)<br /> -Fisheye works with it. <a class="snap_shots" href="http://trillian.sqlpower.ca/fisheye/browse/power_architect" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://trillian.sqlpower.ca/fisheye/browse/power_architect</a><br /> -Lots of other SCM tools work with it too--it's mainstream<br /> <br /> Although I'm sure we could all benefit from using distributed version control, I have literally 12 competing priorities stopping me from working on the Architect right now.  I haven't made a change to the Architect in more than two weeks, and next week isn't looking promising (Monday and Tuesday are already writeoffs).  If I add "change project hosting location" and "switch to distributed version control" to my list at this point, I think my head would explode.<br /> <br /> I think the bottom line is, as long as the friendly folks at Google Code Hosting remain responsive to our questions and concerns, it would be foolish of me to contemplate switching away. Why walk away from a good situation?<br /> <br /> Speaking of which, please feel free to join in on our GCH support thread (Jeff posted a link to it earlier). I would definitely like to get to the bottom of this connectivity problem. If you and Yaragalla are both having trouble checking out the code, there's a good chance you're not alone!<br /> <br /> -Jonathan<br /> <br /> PS: Although I have every confidence that Google will not lose our source code, we have been using svnsync to keep a local mirror of the repositories for Architect, MatchMaker, and the library since day one.  The update runs every night. It's nice to know there are now additional mirrors in Poland and India. You can't be too safe! <img src="http://www.sqlpower.ca/forum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" />]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Jeff][...]<br /> I've noticed that in the OpenSolaris link, they're supporting both Subversion and a distributed solution, perhaps something we could do?[/quote]<br /> Just keep in mind, that in Subversion the history is linear, while in DVCSs it is represented as a DAG (directed acyclic graph, used instead of the weird "branches/tags/trunk' structure), so the conversion from Subversion to Mercurial is possible (and even supported by the Mercurial itself to some extend, but not very straightforward), it is only a one-way conversion.<br /> <br /> Hence, if you want to support both, you will have to rely on the Subversion repository as the "golden master", and it is A Bad Thing (TM), at least in my opinion (personally, I really don't like dealing with the whole "branches/tags/trunk" hell from the Subversion, along with its 'intelligent' line-endings conversions between platforms). Still, it is of course better than the current situation, and it has its advantages (broader range of tools supporting this, etc).<br /> <br /> A screenshot with DAG within Mercurial GUI (shown after issuing the 'hg view' command) can be found on the Wikipedia page: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercurial_(software)[/url]. The interface there is a bit outdated, but it shows the concept well.<br /> <br /> Regards,<br /> Michał Skrzypek]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Jonathan, while I fully understand your concerns, it is also clear to me, that DVCSs are the "wave of the future" - you cannot avoid these in the long run anyway. At least, when you consider, that in a long run there will be a large community behind your projects, actively developing in parallel.<br /> <br /> Using Subversion delays decentralization, and while right now it isn't that obvious (because there are mainly commits form within your company), sooner or later you'll have to move away from the centralized model.<br /> <br /> Anyway, I don't want to drag you off your hard work, so there is this one last link, just in case you missed it, and then I'll shut up (I promise!) <img src="http://www.sqlpower.ca/forum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" />. It is with Linus Torvalds visiting Google, and talking about Subversion, Git and DVCSs in general, really worth watching:<br /> <br /> [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8[/url]<br /> <br /> If this will not convince you, nothing will... Also, to spice it up a little <img src="http://www.sqlpower.ca/forum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" />, here is just one sentence from this video: "... Subversion has been the most pointless project ever started", roughly at 3:30.<br /> <br /> Bye,<br /> Michał Skrzypek]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hi m--s, still I have not succeded yet in creating a full mirror. It connects to the repo and after some time it says "200  ok connection lost". I had restarted it for few times and i got the same error message. So I think I have to try hard. Today I will try again. Hope I will succeded. <br /> <br /> Hi Jonathan, you always talk about support from google. I always think in mind , Why jonathan worries a lot about this. If you move to a stable version control and if you dont have any problem, why do you need lot of support? Any way it is up to you. Really very much unhappy about the google thing. I think there are few more people who tried to check out, failed and left. If google is this unstable for sure you will loose many developers who are really interested and got frustrated with these issues. <br /> <br /> Hi m--s, I tried to open the link "www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 "   but it says the requested resource not found. I am also interested in reading the article.<br /> <br /> Just saying I trid with sorce forge. It just took few seconds to checkin or to checkout the code. Painless. I am not suggesting sorceforge but it should be something like that. I think google people are trying to reproduce the problem on high spped networks which might not happen.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hi yaragalla,<br /> <br /> Just a quick question. Do you recall which command-line client you used to try to access the repository?<br /> <br /> Thanks.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=yaragalla_murali]Hi m--s, still I have not succeded yet in creating a full mirror. It connects to the repo and after some time it says "200  ok connection lost". I had restarted it for few times and i got the same error message. So I think I have to try hard. Today I will try again. Hope I will succeded.[/quote]<br /> I've never experienced this from my location, so unfortunately I cannot help you. However, keep trying, as this behavior seems random, and you only need to complete the sync [b]just once[/b], so it seems being worth the effort.<br /> <br /> [quote=yaragalla_murali]Hi m--s, I tried to open the link "www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 "   but it says the requested resource not found. I am also interested in reading the article.[/quote]<br /> Yeah, I forgot to add "http://" at the beginning of the link - it seems strange, but in this case the forum's message parser linked to the local site instead. I've [b]corrected it[/b], so it should work  out-of-the-box. The copy-pasted link, providced in your message, contained the space at the end, which also could invalidate the link in the case you pasted it in address-box of your browser.<br /> <br /> Anyway, just in case, here is the corrected link again: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8[/url]<br /> <br /> Michał Skrzypek]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hi guys,<br /> <br /> I don't want to let the discussion of distributed version control versus branch/tag/merge version control grow into a running distraction from what's really important here: Architect product development.  At the same time, I don't want our tool set to stand in the way of community building, contributions, or even just basic access to our source code!<br /> <br /> So, what are the issues at hand?<br /> <br /> 1. Michał and Yaragalla are both having trouble checking out a copy of the source code from the Google Code hosted subversion repository.<br /> <br /> 2. Michał has expressed concerns that subversion's style of version control is outdated and poses a general barrier to development, even assuming we fix the checkout problems.<br /> <br /> 3. Yaragalla has expressed concerns that Google Code Hosting is generally a poor choice for housing the Architect's source code (and binaries? and wiki?) and that we should switch to SourceForge, or any other project hosting solution, as long as it's not Google Code Hosting.<br /> <br /> 4. I'm advocating the status quo, for these reasons:<br /> [list] a. It's already set up;[/list]<br /> [list] b. It's well-documented;[/list]<br /> [list] c. The support comes directly from the right people, who are always very responsive and helpful.[/list]<br /> <br /> Is this a fair assessment? I don't want to start off by debating the wrong points. <img src="http://www.sqlpower.ca/forum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" /><br /> <br /> -Jonathan]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think you've summed it up nicely, but don't forget about the Jeff's proposal of providing the read-only Mercurial repository. This wouldn't do any harm to anyone, and seems like a fair compromise for now...<br /> <br /> Cheers,<br /> Michał Skrzypek]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hi that's nice, any way i dont mean to debate on google hosting. My only concern is I am very much interested and not able to take part as I can not check out the source code. ( whether google or any other thing, I would have expressed it the same way). You might not be knowing how hard I tried to checkout the source. It came out of utter most frustration. Ok leave it.<br /> <br /> By the way i am using the command line tool listed on the following <br /> <br /> [url]http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=8100&expandFolder=8100&folderID=8100[/url]<br /> <br /> The last one on this page that is "svn-win32-1.4.6.zip"  . This is what I am using. One more doubt is, they say that the client is different for apache2.2 and 2.0. I am using the client for apache2.2.<br /> <br /> Thanks. I Have tried a lot and failed. So if any permanent solution pls let me know. Thanking you.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ok, thanks for your replies.<br /> <br /> Beyond our ability (or inability) to put in the effort involved in creating a read-only Mercurial mirror of our repository, I have no issues with doing that.  Michał, if you are interested in adapting your scripts to work in a unix shell, we'd be happy to provide you with an account on our nightly build server, where you can set up the mirror based on your existing batch files you're using now. Once it's working and we've determined it's not an undue security risk, we'll open the port and publish the URL alongside the subversion URL.<br /> <br /> Long term, I am not opposed to abandoning subversion. Right now, we have our hands full and there is simply not time to change our development infrastructure. Once things calm down (and based on our current long-range plans, this will eventually happen <img src="http://www.sqlpower.ca/forum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" />[b] [/b]), we'll be much more open to experimenting with infrastructure.<br /> <br /> Finally, for anyone (this includes both of you) who is having trouble with connectivity to the Google hosted repository, we can make our mirror available to you. Maybe it will work better.<br /> <br /> How does that sound to everyone?<br /> <br /> -Jonathan]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hi,<br /> <br /> Have you tried using the 'svn update' command after the first failure? This should at least allow you to continue the checkout where you left off. At least that way you can get the sourcecode.<br /> <br /> The command should be like:<br /> [code]<br /> svn update &lt;path to power-architect project&gt;<br /> [/code]<br /> So for example: 'svn update ./power-architect'<br /> <br /> I think allowing you to try checking out of our own mirror would be the next logical step. This way, we can see if the problem truly is with Google Code, or if you are having problems connecting to Subversion repositories in general. (Or I suppose you can find another non-Google Code project with a Subversion repository and see if you have trouble checking out code from them?)]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Jonathan][...] Michał, if you are interested in adapting your scripts to work in a unix shell, we'd be happy to provide you with an account on our nightly build server [...][/quote]<br /> No problem at all - please PM me with the details.<br /> <br /> [quote=Jonathan]Long term, I am not opposed to abandoning subversion. Right now, we have our hands full and there is simply not time to change our development infrastructure. Once things calm down (and based on our current long-range plans, this will eventually happen <img src="http://www.sqlpower.ca/forum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" />[b] [/b]), we'll be much more open to experimenting with infrastructure.[/quote]<br /> It is good to see that you're open-minded. Anyway, I fully understand your point of view; these things cannot be done too fast, at least because the current developers will probably need some time and motivation to move to different toolchains. I'd be glad to help in providing this new opportunity (in the readonly form for now, but, technically, every local Mercurial repository is writable for the local user, so it can be fully tested by anyone)<br /> <br /> Anyway, for now, I was just trying to make you aware of the new toys available for developers, therefore I consider this response being a success <img src="http://www.sqlpower.ca/forum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" /><br /> <br /> [quote=Jonathan]Finally, for anyone (this includes both of you) who is having trouble with connectivity to the Google hosted repository, we can make our mirror available to you. Maybe it will work better.[/quote]<br /> I don't [b]need[/b] it, but I can test how reliably it works if you want. As for others, this seems to be quite beneficial for them.<br /> <br /> Regards,<br /> Michał Skrzypek]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:12:29]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hi Jeff, <br />             I tried with other google projects too. It is the same. I am not able to checkout any google project properly(completly). I will try update command and see how it goes.<br /> <br /> Hi Jonathan,<br />               Nice to hear that you are going to provide an alternative. I feel happy beacuse you valued a developer contribution. Have not given up that easily. This is something nice. And very happy to see you open minded. <br /> <br /> Hi m--s,<br />                I am able to watch the video of Linus. Really nice. Something worth to know. Thank you.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hi yaragalla,<br /> <br /> Actually, I meant try to check out a project that is [b]NOT[/b] in Google Code.<br /> <br /> If you don't have one in mind, you can try this repository:<br /> <br /> <a class="snap_shots" href="http://kettle.pentaho.org/svn/Kettle/trunk" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://kettle.pentaho.org/svn/Kettle/trunk</a><br /> <br /> So use the command<br /> <br /> [quote]svn checkout <a class="snap_shots" href="http://kettle.pentaho.org/svn/Kettle/trunk" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://kettle.pentaho.org/svn/Kettle/trunk</a> &lt;directory of your choice&gt;[/quote]]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:31:06]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hi all,<br /> <br /> It's been a little while, so I just wanted to check back to see if there's been any new developments on the whole 'checking out the source code' issue?]]></description>
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